billion now, that's for sure. >> you went down to australia, on your very first day in 1987, literally the first day you're there, the company that you're working for goes bust in the great crash which happened that day? >> well, not -- i went down there, it's even worse than that, i went down there and i trained for six months while the market was soaring to the very top. >> you're thinking this is -- >> i'm thinking, this is it. my first day of being a broker, and just like that it's black monday and it's over. >> when you say over. didn't the firm -- >> well, yes, the thing is worse than that, if you remember back then, the attitude was like, people thought it was the next great depression, no one knew the economy would bounce back, people thought it was going to be 1933 all over again. on the subway ride home, the gloom and doom, i was absolutely devastated. when i was working and i was broke, and that was -- i had no money, i was working for $100 a week, and it was costing me more than that to commute into the city back then.